The meeting with Arno Stern made him change the way he works completely and leave the arts education, which he devoted himself to. He then opened a painting workshop with the same characteristics as “Le Closlieu” by Arno Stern and made another of clay applying the same conditions. Over the years, he researches in the workshop and find the formulation on the clay. His research develops alongside the bodywork and creating spaces to play assuming roles in what he calls “Game Settings”.
In 1993 he met Vega Martin and continued their work together. During all this time he has participated in international conferences and given lectures, talks and training courses for companies and for professional educators or parents.
Since 1988 he is a professor at the University of Cantabria where he teaches Creative Education training and continues his work in painting workshops, clay and movement.